/social/ - Socialism

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It's nice to know I have a couple of socialist co-workers in my company. I love going to the pub after work, sitting next to one of them, and just steering a conversation right into them. Uh oh, looks like we're explaining to five people how girlboss feminism guest speakers are capitalist bullshit again! How could that have happened?

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*pop!*

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Well /social/, would you consider yourself a revolutionary?

>>8
I AM THE GOD OF HELLFIRE
AND I BRING YOU,

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>>8
>Max Headroom
Reminder that cyberpunk is a critique of capitalism.
Also reminder to watch Network YOU FUCKIN' FASCIST!

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>>8
*slam!*

>>5
A bit off topic, but I really think the kids are warming up to socialism or at least labour organising. It's nice to see.

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>>34
I think so too. And after the rise of the Internet, the GFC, COVID's economic and social devastation and various ongoing housing crises, it's no surprise there are so many of these 'not seen since the Great Depression' moments. The system is in serious panic.
It's hard to find objective measurements, for a few reasons, but at the very least we know for a fact that 'socialism' and even to a degree 'communism' are more and more destigmatised in the 5EYES, and that matters, even if the average person has less and less understanding of what the socialist movement actually is. There has absolutely been a general shift leftward of the vooting population, and some pretty astounding unionisation wins in the US.

I realize that a lot of these current surveys and analyses around socialism are from anti-socialist think-tanks and littered with fallacious 'gotcha's (Institute of Economic Affairs, Victims of Communism) and that colloquial definitions of socialism and capitalism are a bit wild, but it's hard not to see the numbers and smile. Line goes up, baby.

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Pro-tip: Remember to put a red handkerchief in your back pocket to non-verbally signal your ideology and find comrades in your area.

>>34
>>61
I much prefer this than the opposite, I gotta admit.

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Fun fact: Since June, the (equal) second tallest flagpole in the world hoists the Soviet Union flag.
Not so fun fact: It flies alongside both the Russian Federation flag and the Russian Empire flag.

>>61
It's funny to think that in early 2019, I was in the mindset that socialists were nihlistic, just waiting for a crisis or disaster to shake the stability of the status quo.
All it took was a novel SARS variant to cause a major global depression. Thanks, porky mass media. Truly a sparrow moment from the capitalist class decimating their own followers.

>>66
Communism and Marx shows up surprisingly often in IASIP. Not regularly, but a few more times than expected.

>>77
I'm not deep into the show's context enough to know who writes what, although I do recall the interview with Glenn Howerton in GQ, 2018
<Obviously between Dennis and Jack, you've got a good repertoire of these very fragile men that speaks to, fortunately or unfortunately at the moment, a very specific and timely kind of person. What is it about this mindset that you like to explore as an actor? It's not exactly toxic masculinity, is it?
>It's not quite toxic masculinity. I would say, when it comes to Dennis there's a certain degree of toxic masculinity, but I think it's more... You know what I think it is? [The characters are] an interesting parallel to what I think is wrong in society in general, which is, it's the most extreme version of someone who is out only for themselves. In a weird way, here we are in a free market economy, in a democracy, you're given permission to get whatever you can get, as long as you're acting within the confines of the laws, you're encouraged to. "Hey, if you can go make a billion dollars, go make a billion dollars."

>And that's great in theory. But I do think it lends itself to a mindset like "Yeah, I stepped on a couple heads on my way, but I didn't break any fucking laws. So fuck you. Fuck you." And that doesn't build communities, it doesn't lead to happiness. And yet we still celebrate it. We celebrate money and we celebrate people with massive egos. I need to satirize that because it makes me so fucking angry. I want to satirize that because I want you to see what you think makes you happy fail. Dennis is Donald Trump having failed. Donald Trump is Donald Trump having succeeded. You think that guy's fucking happy though? That guy's fucking miserable. And yet the people who actually buy in to the Trump brand, they aspire to that. They're like, "Yeah, man, see! He is the perfect example of the American Dream." Right? And, yeah, he is.

>But those of us who know that that doesn't make you happy look at it and go, "Oh, fuck. We need to reexamine what the definition of the American Dream. Because that guy sucks." But he was taught the same fucking things we are. In a way, you almost can't blame him. He happens to be the most grotesque version of it.

<If you can get your name on fifty buildings, you do it. If you can become President, you do it.
>Even if it makes you miserable! The ones that are quote-unquote “lucky” enough to reach their desired position in life, they look back and they go, "Why aren't I happy? I'll just go get more. I'll go get more."

>I always wonder, "Those billionaires, why are they still lobbying? Why do the Koch brothers care about lobbying the government for their fossil fuel companies? What else could you possibly need?” So then you go, "Oh, it's not about that. It's not about money. It's about some fucking massive, gaping hole inside your soul that you can't seem to fill any other way."

<I think they're also just terrified of change. Of the system they gamed becoming unfamiliar.
>Ah, I think you're right, man. They don't know what else to do.

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>>77

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>>34
With society so atomized, I wonder if there is a real opportunity for labour organizing, rather than work, to become the new community centre.

>>34
Even labour organizing can be effective gateways into the socialist movement. And, to some degree, the recent war protests have been a source of exposure. In my experience, socialist orgs and trade unions are the ones visible taking actual activist action, even if it's just simple petitions or trade blockades.

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>>99
Red Jenny

>>65
I find it curious how the Russian Federation glorifies the Soviet Union, alongside the Russian Empire. It's so radially contradictory in deep and obvious ways, I'd just expect the usual tradition of the new state demonizing the old state.
Maybe it's just too blatantly obvious how great (powerful) the Soviet country was that it would be far smarter to try and recuperate it, or merely accept it as great while continuing a different 'better' path.

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>>99
>>108
Vladimir did nothing wrong.

>>115
>organized the oppressed masses
>seized the weapons of their captors
>sabotaged the tools of abuse
>refused sell out or negotiate
>refused capture and extermination
Their only flaw was being distracted by meddling kids.

>>61
Interestingly the conclusion of that study doesn't attempt to give any reasons for the generational shift, they basically just say (and I think they're generally correct) it doesn't matter if around a quarter of respondents seemingly held contradictory combinations of anti-capitalist and pro-capitalist sentiments, because the popularity of those anti-capitalist sentiments, them being normal, suggests those people have socialist 'influencers' (their analogy), friends or social media channels experts who spend a lot of time spreading these ideas, and that they're intuitively accepting those ideas. With a bit of luck, this makes far more radicalize leftwards instead of to the capitalist status quo.
There was also emphasis on their belief that the 'millenial socialism' is not a trend, unlike generations before where people generally shifted conservative regardless as they aged regardless of generation.

>>148
I'd say it's a good sign if the mere term 'socialism' is becoming an admirable label in the mainstream. I'd rather fight recuperation than refusal.

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>>99
>>115
It's interesting how Vladimir was explicitly portrayed as a justified villain, evoking empathy from one of the heroes. MLaaTR always seems to have mixed feelings whenever a socialist theme is brought up.
I'll make a thread about socialism being referenced in Western animation because even as a massive historical movement, it shows up surprisingly often in a positive light.

>>153
>I'll make a thread about socialism being referenced in Western animation because even as a massive historical movement, it shows up surprisingly often in a positive light.
TVTropes (obviously not the best source in the world) suggests that the large amount of unionization and guilds in Hollywood and other parts in the film industry helped make writers more familiar with them than much of the US population, making episodes about strikes or unions more common than one would expect.

>>10
ROAST PIG

>>82
The capitalist fears the red prole.

School student have a compulsory field-trip to the federal parliament in my country, I did the tour twice. Both times, they made a point of asking 'how often do you think the government and opposition parties agree on legislation?' The answer was over 90% of the time.
The first response is surprise, since all we see them do in the media is argue and whine about each other. At the time, I thought it was an interesting sign that the liberal system was working well.
Now, it's pretty obvious that both parties are consistently fucking over the workers.

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>>334
Wow, they did a great job for a quick April Fools gag. Good to see the site taking it in humour too.

>>269
It's always fascinating, and reassuring, to look back and see all the pieces fall into place. I've seen similar epiphanies on ex-cult/religion forums, realizing just how strange normal is.

>>337
>how strange normal is
absolutely, and that's why i'm always a bit concerned when someone says liberals categorically "can't be saved". some, sure, but most socialists are ex-liberals or liberals because it's the status quo default ideology before one examines the world.

Sooo what is this board's rule on trans-ideology? Is it illegal, to critisize it?

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>>381
You can read the rules page yourself YOU DID READ THE RULES, RIGHT??? but it's kind of a dumb idpol topic anyway for a socialism board. Might be considered off-topic depending on the post. You'd be better off just posting it on /leftypol/ or something.

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>hears about new socialist board
>immediately asks if they'll get banned for some idpol fixation
>doesn't even try to contribute
>goes home and cries when someone says it's a dumb topic and lurk moar

>>339
Converting liberals is a long grind, and doubly so if you don't know how to tailor your rhetoric to their material conditions rather than appeasing their lofty morals and ideals. Hard not to get burned out if you keep trying and keep facing apathy.
Apathy is the real thing that pisses people off, the delusion that politics is optional. That one can just choose not to be political of it gets too complex or confronting. It's just a conversation piece until it challenges their comfort.

>>336
Honestly, it's always refreshing when a site is comfy and not just covered in whiny /pol/ nerds who found the hobby boards. They're so easily triggered and conspiracy-brained that anything they don't like turns into the same boring tirade about da joos.
Luckily there are still a few active boards I know where they get laughed out of the room.

>>152
Say what you want about libs like Bernie Sanders, they're gateway drugs.

>>82
saved. smug soviet charlie must be cherished.

>>85
It ultimately depends on the workplace. In a large corporate, workers are often spread out pretty far geographically, some of my team is in other states, or even other countries! My friend working in the unions says it's a big hurdle when vulnerable workers are scared to talk in-office and work from home so often it's hard to organize a meeting with non-union employees.

Security probably think I'm going to all the meeting rooms planting listening devices, but I'm really just stealing all the gourmet tea packets.

>>407
giving premium tea to the visitors and cheap stuff to the workers? bet morale is through the roof there.

>>408
Yeah, exactly that. Although even other workplaces in my industry tend to give tiny office luxuries to workers. This place (despite being one of the most profitable of them) just doesn't even play that game.

>>339
>and that's why i'm always a bit concerned when someone says liberals categorically "can't be saved".
It's a silly take to say that categorically. Like you said, it's the default and many people make it surprisingly far through life without properly thinking about politics beyond vooting.

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>>406
>My friend working in the unions says it's a big hurdle when vulnerable workers are scared to talk in-office and work from home so often it's hard to organize a meeting with non-union employees.
HR loves that atomisation. Apparently some call-center employees got in trouble for talking to each other too much over M$ Teams at work. Dystopian shit, for real.

>>152
Absolutely, recuperation sucks but for a movement like socialism it's a foot in the door. Western countries look at their big bad enemy demonised by all the media and see 'Community Party', that's subliminally going to create a negative impression which isn't easy to overcome.

>>416
The truth is the word 'socialism' has been partially recuperated for about a hundred years anyway.

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>that guy says elon musk is the smartest and richest guy in the world
>reply that he's the richest and he buys the smartest guys in the world
>no they invented spacex and tesla himself
>point out that elon didn't found tesla
>no they did i researched it before buying stock
It amazes me how people can so confidently say obvious lies. Five seconds of the most basic research is all it takes to know that's not the case.

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It's amazing how easy it is for mass media to point at anyone improving their situation and make the rest of the working class envious. I remember when train workers were on strike here, people with higher salaries were whining 'how come they think they have the right to demand more money?'

>>418
Things like this just make me wonder if they're  actually delusional, or if they just have so little respect for others that they make bullshit claims to own the libs.

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>type out question about theory
>figure out the answer as typing

>>484
The answer was within you all along, comrade!